expectation, even pointed out that in the northeast, in the mid alantic region because of hurricane sandy, spending was drastically lower than they would have expected so this could be a result of people being shocked by the superstorm not necessarily consumers being afraid. david: and there's also, by the way, the shooting. >> the interesting thing, too, national average for retail spending, 2, 2 1/2% growth from last year, the average nationally for the last decade or so has been about 4, 4 1/2% growth. foot traffic still remains pretty strong meaning people are coming out to the malls to mange out and possibly not spend. david: what bothers me, saying that the fiscal cliff is stopping people. you're asking people shopping less because of-- i don't know, anybody, i don't know anybody, the fiscal cliff directly stopping people from shopping. >> these surveys, keep in mind that the national retail federation is still holding with white knuckles to the prediction we'll have increased growth of spending, and 586 billion dollar seenlz. so nrs has not changed its forecast. >> shopper track ha